You’ve Really Fucked Yourselves Over Now
A few weeks ago I thought the duel arena update was hugely damaging to RS, it took a big chunk out of the game. Previously people had enjoyed duelling for large amounts of money and many expensive items. People got rich quick, and lost a lot quickly. These stakers fully understood the consequences of what they were doing, and that it was a gamble, and the majority were fully prepared to lost whatever items they staked without whinging about it. Then Jagex comes along and decides they can’t. That it might be a way to transfer money or items, Fucking Morons. I thought that was bad, I thought it ruined a pretty popular part of the game for many people, but compared to today’s update, that looks like nothing.
Jagex has now stopped all unbalanced trading, simply put you can not make ‘unbalanced’ trades, where the difference between values of items and cash is more than 3k. Yes, 3k. As well as this, players will no longer be able to say items or money you have dropped if they are worth more than 3k, and it’s now a lot harder to lose all your items when you die.
These changes effectively remove:
Drop parties with friends
Giving friends ‘presents’
Player Killing in the wilderness (lets face it, a lot less Pkers will bother if there is no loot at stake)
Any type of RCing running (Since it will be classed as an unbalanced trade)
And most likely many more.
You’ve pretty much killed your own game Jagex, you’ve put completely eradicating the RWT over the actual playabillity of the game and the hapiness of the player base. You can’t win when you put the customers needs and want anywhere other than the top of your priority list.
Hell, lets look at Blizzard. Recently stickies were made on the WoW official forums asking for feedback and suggestions for class changes in the upcoming expansion. They actually asked players to submit 10 things they thought needed changing and the 10 spells/abillities they use the most in game, and they do things like that regularly There have been plenty of other instances where the WoW Community has protested for a change, and Blizzard have obliged. Blizzard give their community what they want, and they have 9 million plus subscribers. Jagex will never get anywhere near that figure. Not because RS is just a java based browser game, that excuse is overplayed. But because they put themselves and the needs of the company, above the needs of the player.
First rule of business? The Customer is always right.
*disagree*
It’s inconvenient right now quite obviously, but the reason cheating was so ‘popular’ in RuneScape is because it was so easy to transfer items through accounts, whether or not that’s through duel arena, party room, wilderness or simple trading - it was too easy and had to be modified to disallow it.
Like I said it’s very inconvenient because we’re not yet used to it, there’s a lot of good in this update - people are just overreacting and blowing a lot of small bad thing out of proportion.
In reality, the customer is never right, the best thing for a business is to make customers think that they are. I’ve seen customers pushed away while working because they’re over-reacting while at work, it happens in RuneScape too, simply because the customers very rarely know what they’re talking about - much like a lot of the players rioting right now.
Ehm what? Good in this update? It stops a few RWTs? WoW is swarming with gold farmers and it sure as hell isn’t ruining the game, nor even affecting the economy that much.
And as far as your ‘the player is wrong’ point. The players are right in this case because they know what they like in the game and Jagex are taking it away from them. I know the RS community famously overreacts to most things, but How the hell can you justify your point by saying that Runescape players don’t know what they like about playing Runescape? That’s a moronic statement if ever I’ve heard one.
You’ve made a good point, Brad, and I was going to post something similar to this article you’ve constructed on the RuneScape forums myself prior to reading this message (funnily enough, my browser wouldn’t load it due to an overload of people on the Forums, lol!) anyways, I would just like to add that Jagex has also destroyed merchanting, now the only way to do that is with the GE, and of course PKing. PKing is what made RuneScape, and how ironic is it that it will likewise destroy it. I tested this so-called Bounty Hunter (interesting how you can’t really have any kind of bounty anymore, eh?) and well, it is completely shit. I predict that unless Jagex rectifies this crappy change to the game, they will lose 75% of their players and then RuneScape will just be turned into a bunch of no-life skillers. What a fun game to play Jagex, you’ve really outdone yourself.
excuse, me i’m wrong it appears that jagex have closed the forums
Ehm what? Good in this update? It stops a few RWTs? WoW is swarming with gold farmers and it sure as hell isn’t ruining the game, nor even affecting the economy that much.
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Prices of practically every “resource” item in runescape have been affected by RWI traders, Gold Farmers and Autoers. Dragon Bones for example, once 2.5k each back when i first bought them, plummeted to the lowest they’ve ever been. Yew logs, once a very good way for the medium level to make money are also a ‘favourite’ of these people. Goldfarmers are also known to scam real players out of money by switching (i.e.) dragon bones with big bones. I know Cooper/Potatoreaper was a victim to that. This update is a very large step to getting rid of the biggest problem RuneScape’s had since it’s begining and all that’s being said is “wildai is ruinedd!@!”@”
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And as far as your ‘the player is wrong’ point. The players are right in this case because they know what they like in the game and Jagex are taking it away from them. I know the RS community famously overreacts to most things, but How the hell can you justify your point by saying that Runescape players don’t know what they like about playing Runescape? That’s a moronic statement if ever I’ve heard one.
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No, what people ‘like’ about RuneScape is not what’s best for it. You want to talk moronic? Take a look back at my “You complain too much” post and find the image. That’s exactly the kind of person we don’t want getting their way and although most players might think they have a great idea for runescape - to a lot of other people, it’s going to fucking suck. It’s the same with this, and the dueling update. You might not like it, but it does it’s job. Getting rid of RWI traders is obviously Jagex’s priority because it DOES affect the game to a bigger extent than it does in WoW.
So you’re basically agreeing that Jagex should do what’s best for them as a company rather than Runescape as a game? And by ‘Runescape as a game’ I mean what the players would prefer.
Can you honestly say you don’t feel a little.. victimised, for lack of a better word, you’re having to have things cut down in the game, because Jagex just want a quick (and for them) easy solution to this problem? There are plenty of other ways they could have fixed this, hell, maybe if they’d adressed this problem months ago when it was as much of an issue as it was now, they wouldn’t have had to just throw forth an idea that upsets a lot of people.
Whether you agree that this update was good or not, Jagex have handled the whole issue of RWT badly.
I agree somewhat, I feel a little disappointed something so drastic has to have been done to get rid of them. But it’s certainly not worth all that’s been said (and having the OF shut down, l0l).
Yeah, you’re probably right that they’ve handled it badly but I don’t see any viable alternative.
Viable alternative: sell RS gold on their site -or- get RS players to sell their own RS gold.
PROBLEM SOLVED.
Yes MQ, well done! ‘Cause the problem’s that Jagex isn’t selling it, Koreans are! *cough*
i agree with MQ, but there is the small problem of their policy thingy. It states that everything in RuneScape should be earned, so that would and wouldn’t solve the problem (only because of their stupidity in placing that statement, not selling the gold themselves, and therefore, not being able to contradict themselves).
Prices of practically every “resource” item in runescape have been affected by RWI traders, Gold Farmers and Autoers. Dragon Bones for example, once 2.5k each back when i first bought them, plummeted to the lowest they’ve ever been. Yew logs, once a very good way for the medium level to make money are also a ‘favourite’ of these people.
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Honestly, I’ve played 6 years. If you want to blame price changes on Auoters and RWTers, you’re a fucking moron. When I started playing EVERYTHING cost a lot of cash, want to know why? There were 50,000 playing at high times, not 230,000. More people –> More demand –> More supply –> Surplus.
When people want something in real life, they pay someone else. When they want it in RuneScape, they get it themselves and maybe some extra to sell. Then when they need money they go and get more strictly to sell creating a supply to meet the demand. But more people join and more people go through the same process and begin to “farm” these things themselves - legally. This erases a part of the demand because there is a supply of the item that exceeds the demand.
Most people who bought Yews or Dragon Bones off of alternate websites USED THEM or they would have bought straight gold for a cheaper price. Blaming their lower price on Autoers is absolute ignorance of Economics 101 because you failed to throw in the wrench that everyone is equally capable of acquiring everything.
God if this does not drive away the rest of their player base i dont know what will.
I never PK’d myself, so that area never effected me, I did, however, have a skilling pure that retrieved all of the sharks I required. Honestly, not a person in-game with a skilling pure did not trade between accounts to kick off the pure in funds and other areas of need they had already conquered on their mains. Now I can no longer drop trade my shark from the skiller to main and that really pisses me off. My skiller has almost 4.5M more fishing exp than my main, it’s going to be a long ass time before I can get my fishing up to what it was on my pure.
It’d be nice if Jagex’d let us combine exp into one character, but of course that would somehow mess everything up.
There goes that game for sure.
*quits*
A Simple Solution
i think that myself, along with most of the runescape
population, are quite unhappy with the new changes to
the game. i have a very simple solution.
basically, clan wars and bounty hunter just need a
little of what the other one has.
for bounty hunter:
change it to single-way combat
20 second wait between attacks, and 10 second wait if
the player that was attacking you leaves the arena.
(example: player 1 is fighting player 2. player 2 is
healing, or eating food. player 3 has to wait 20
seconds after player 2 makes an attack for player 3 to
attack player 1. ex2: player 1 is fighting player 2.
player 2 runs out of the arena. player 3 has to wait
10 seconds to attack player 1 after player 2 has rune
out of the arena)
single-way combat should be single way, not single way
for a few seconds.
for clan wars:
probably one of the only reason people have clan wars
is because of the great loot.
all that should be changed is make drops possible
add item wealth skulls, like in bounty hunter
for both, and for trading/ dropping of items
basically, by making this 3k rule, you, jagex have
removed:
merchanting
any kind of rune-running
presents
drop parties for an event of some kind (example lvl 99
skill drop party, fan site holiday drop party, etc)
payment to a friend for IN-GAME help on a quest
(example, you have a friend come along with you
in-game on a separate character, to help you along the
quest)
and i’m sure there’s others
basically, from what i’ve HEARD, when, HYPOTHETICALLY,
a player buys runescape gold, the gold is usually sold
in increments of 1mill, 2mill, etc.
solution:
make the cap amount of difference trading to something
like 100k per HOUR
that way, merchanters can merchant at most 10 items at
a defference of 10k each,
rune-runners can now receive their payment,
and friends can help each other on quests, and still
make a profit for spending time helping their friend
(example: i can, with level 50 runecrafting, make
8-10k per 2 minues crafting nature runes. a friend of
mine wants me to help him through desert treasure.
let’s say that it takes 3 hours to complete dt, so i
accept and come along with him on the quest, killing
monsters he can’t, running to the bank for food
replenishes, etc. every hour, he pays me 100k, for my
help. now, i can make 300k per hour, but since he is
my friend, i will still help him and get a little bit
less for my time on runescape.)
make a cap amount of items that can be seen on the
ground:
to 50k or 70k
this way, pk-ers can still get, for example, dds’s and
rune items, (pker’s usually protect their dscims,
whips, etc)
drop parties can still occur
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now, there could be a problem with items seen on the
ground. you, reader, are probably saying to yourself,
“well, couldn’t a real-world trader just drop a bunch
of dds’s?” i have thought that out too.
create another cap for items that can be seen on the
ground per HOUR.
for example, two or three 50k or 70k items can be
seen/taken by a player that did not drop/lose on
death. four or five 30k items per hour with the same
preferences as my previous statement.
this would prevent real-world traders from trading
millions of runescape gold, and they wouldn’t, i’m
sure, take the time to trade 1 million gp over the
course of 10 hours or more.
now pk-ers can still get their dds’s or stacks or rune
arrows or runes or pots and inventory of sharks when
pk’ing, and still make a profit
now drop parties can occur, people usually don’t drop
things that are worth more than 50k or 70k
and this all will still cancel the option of
real-world trading, which was the main purpose of the
updates, because i know, from personal experience,
that at least 80-90% of runescape would take this as a
devastating blow, and i’ve seen things like people
standing around the bounty hunter arena, saying things
like “accepting quitter’s items!” and things like
that.
i’m sure that you, jagex, have seen a large influx of
unsubscriptions, even though the update of the 3k cap
hasn’t come out, but because of the pking update. two
last things.
1
i do like the new revennant ghosts, they are very
challenging, and an overall good update, but, quite
frankly, there aren’t enough of them. i think that
there should be something like 10 spawn spot
throughout, say, every 10 levels of wilderness, so as
to give “ghost-hunters” a nice supply of fighting.
2
on a final note, i’d just like to say that the reason
that 90% of people that play runescape and not other
MMORPGs, is pking. so, because pking made runescape,
it just isn’t right to remove the point of pking,
(getting good loot, and single-way PvP)
i mean, the aim of the updates was to remove
real-world trading, but seriously, you do have to
consider the needs of the players, because if you,
jagex, don’t, then i’m afraid to say that you won’t
have any players left (for example, over 20 of my
friends quit because of these updates)
well, thank you for reading my suggestion, and i hope
that you take it into consideration.
regards, Saxazax.
I just wanna clarify something for myself here. this makes phats worth 3k tops right?
Decent PKers want decent drops, Sax.
I’m sure you’ve seen the guys toting Godswords one-iteming the wilderness, perhaps you’ve seen the PKers in Ahrims? Dharoks? Torag Tank Rangers, even?
The allure of killing someone in this gear is to get it. Creating drop limits eradicates the caliber of the reward. My friend nearly shit a brick the first time he PK’d a whip. He then went and made a pure and has a good 300M to his name strictly from PKing.
The simple facts are that 80% of players don’t give a rat’s ass about Real World Trading and are willing to play with them so long as Jagex doesn’t ass-rape their economy.
As I said earlier, Autoers should have their own fucking worlds with their own fucking trees. They can all go cut themselves happy on Yews and various Ores and fish themselves silly snatching their own Shark. I don’t give a flying fuck because I’m not buying that shit and the only reason I dislike Autoers is because they take my logs. Jagex’s capitalist base is distorting their ambitions.
There was some kid who threw a brick into Jagex’s main building. In my opinion, that kid should have thrown a BEAR. Something bigger and more violent. That’ll teach those bastards to fuck with their fan-base.
P.S.
I can’t wait to see you tear this apart on the podcast, Brad. Don’t worry about the kiddies, let the profanity flow. I love hearing curse-words in a British accent.
On a side note: What the hell does ‘bugger’ mean? Like “Bugger off!” Is it a curse-word or what? If so, is it like “Go to hell.” or “Fuck off.”? As in, what caliber of severity?
well, fire, you have to take the bad with the good
and plus, that would defeat the ourpose of the updates: to remove rwt’ers
They just published another thing, and it seems they don’t care about the players. Mainly only stopping RWT’s and not doing any more fuck-ups in the future.
I think there’s nothing more to do. Jagex is certain.
Sax, we’ve already established that I don’t give a rat’s ass about RWT’ers. The update’s “point” does not benefit me and so I would like it to be returned to the way it was.
yes, well then there’s no point in discussing this topic if we’re going to dismiss the point right
I agree. Customer is always right. They pretty much said, its our game and we will do wat WE want with it, and we dont care if you quit, because a bunch of 9 year olds will pay for it.
Keep up good work on podcast…
~~Kash
PS: Where do i send in questions on Rsbanb update? I can’t find it …lol
This is my 1st time even being on this site and i must say brads made an awsome point as has saxazax but rather than finding “solutions” i think we should try other methods (because face it jagex is a bunch of stubborn assholes )like getting members accounts to send messages or threatening to partially boycott all of their dumbass features. I love all ur suggestions but i think rs players should take action on the runescape site not on blogs and stuff. take action on runescapes forums, stickies and message centers
my son has spent years on runescape and is furious at the changes, if you feel the same and are interested in being involved in a class action then email me at dasecondlife@hotmail.com where I am assembling a list of interested contacts, when I have enough I will email everyone and start proceedings.