Europe Vs. America
In WoW raiding…
Now to those of you who don’t play WoW. You may be unfamiliar with the concept of ‘raiding’. So I’ll clarify this for you now as much of this post won’t make sense without that knowledge. When you reach the max level in WoW (currently 70) there are a number of ‘raid dungeons’ you can go and kill monsters in. But you can’t do this alone, you’ll need to join a raiding guild. Raids typically require 25 people to kill ‘bosses’ and other mobs in difficult high end dungeons. Here are some quick examples of WoW bosses. Those of you who have played WC3 but not WoW may recognise some of them;
Now these fights can be quite complex, they require a great deal of co-ordination and skill (as skillfull as a game like WoW can be) to take them down. They aren’t difficult per say, but everyone in your raid has to know what they’re doing. And when new content comes out and people are unaware of how to kill the newest bosses. The world best raiding guilds are really distinguished from the mediocre ones. Most of the top guilds race to get the ‘world first kill’ on new bosses. This creates rivalry, not just between guilds, but between Europe and North America (+ Australia) since the two server regions in WoW are split.
In the past 2 years of raiding a European guild called Nihilum has dominated the majority of world first kills. And in general European guilds get the majority of world first kills, and generally steam roll content before American ones do. What makes this even more hilarious is that the Americans have had a 24 hour head start on EVERY boss for the past 2 years (apart from one I think). The US servers come down for maintinence every tuesday, and any new content is added and the game is updated then. The European servers don’t come down for maintinence and to get any new content until wednesday. The yanks have a full days advantange and still lose out on the majority of the first kills. This has obviously made the Americans extremely bitter. As any time new content pops up the US raiding forums fills with threads about how all Europeans live on welfare and play WoW 7 days a week. Or how the ones that do work only have to work 30 hours a week. It basically resorts to shit slinging. And it’s always the Americans that start it. It’s actually going on right now. A new boss has just been added to the game and all the top guilds are racing to get the first kill on him. I highly doubt any American guild will get the kill first. Looks to be between two European guilds.
Check out this thread in the US wow raiding forums. It’s much less a discussion about raiding and more a discussion on WW2 and how America ’saved Europes ass’ spliced with varius other patriotic American shit and excuses for why they fail at something as simple as a game even when they have the clear advantage. I guess co-ordination, team work, and logic is too much to expect from your average American WoW player.
Read the thread, even if you know nothing about WoW. It’ll give you some laughs.
Europe > America. Even when it comes down to something as simple as video games.
Yeah nihilum rules. Btw short hiatus.
l0l at that thread.
Did Nihilium disband or was it an april fools joke? I can’t remember -.-”
@Munk
It was an april fool’s joke. Not one of my favorites
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Europe > America? When > is used usually that means the thingy on the left is worse than the thingy on the right. are you sure you didnt mean Europe
got cut off. te rest was supposed to say Europe
what the heck
sorry keeps ending randomly whenever i try to do
@Schuyler.
x>y means x is greater then y
I’m American but I don’t care if some other country does better in a video game than us. I’m more concerned that my clan is better than this clan, etc.
Hopefully within a couple of weeks I’ll actually be able to play WoW and finally break away from RS. WoW looks like it is a lot more fun.
The pac-man sign with a missing circle is used in logic mathematical equations. > indicates that the number on the left is GREATER than the number on the right. The then they will indicate that they are either GREATER THAN or EQUAL TO, or LESS THAN or EQUAL TO.
Let’s hope that cleared up some things. Brad’s just saying Europe is awesome. (For which reason? I don’t know, it’s WoW.)
European guild got the first kill on the latest boss, wasn’t Nihilum though.
And my point was that Europeans are just better at this game. The American argument is simply that Europeans are better because they have more time to waste, as it were. I’m saying, it’s not that. Americans just suck at WoW.
I could play a hardcore Tauren crackwhore.
And you’d be the worlds best <333
Now, just to lay it on the table, I don’t see you flaunting your own abilities, Brad. It’s one thing to say that one faction is better than another, and actually contribute to the winner’s success, but to simply comment on it as though you were taking an objective stance is a bit unwarranted. To put it simply, you’re advertising your opinion as fact and making an incredibly ignorant generalization of an entire country’s population without even backing it up with your own, personal ability.
To continue, you haven’t addressed the fact that there are many deciding factors that go into a server’s success. Many people have different interests and desires, and to say that one faction’s servers are better than the other’s without accounting for the disparity is complete propaganda. Most US servers plan out a time to work on the new bosses instead of simply charging in to figure it out as they go. There are too many server disparities to simply generalize the way you did.
Also, another reality is that Europeans DO have more free time than Americans, so it would make sense that you would finish first because you do have more time to devote to toiling away at bosses while we Americans are working.
You tossed out an opinion without any significant arguments for either side to show how you came to the conclusion you have come to. I sincerely hope that no one will take your word for one locality’s superiority over the other without any justification, even if it may be true.
@firefox.
I like how you totally ignore the biggest advantage U.S servers have at least with the newest contenet out right now, They get everything a full day earlier. So the europeans not only do it faster they do it at a disadvantage. Also i would like to point out that the highest of the highend guilds are sponsered so they should have the same amount of play time.
Sigh. Ok.
Want examples? The latest raid instance, Sunwell Plateau. The first 3 bosses were on the PTR (testing realm) for guilds to go and try out before they were actually put on the live realms. First off, the PTR is an American server, so any European guilds will have at least a few latency problems when trying to test out and get used to these new fights. That makes it a whole lot harder for a start. Secondly. For around 2 weeks after the PTR was put up with these first 3 bosses, the character copying system to get your characters on this realm to test things was offline for European players. They couldn’t test any of the fights because they couldn’t even get their characters on the realm. The PTR was up for a total of about 3 weeks (2 of which EU didn’t have access to) and in the last week the first 3 bosses were all being death touched by GMs to test a few of the later bosses. So American guilds had a HUGE advantage in the testing phase of the first 3 bosses of SP. And add that to the fact they get the bosses 24 hours earlier before EU? Surely they should steamroll the first 3 bosses and take world firsts on each, right? Wrong
US guilds only managed to get world firsts on the first 2 bosses. The first boss fell within 30 minutes of the US servers going back up, and the second boss they barely managed to get down before an EU guild did. SK gaming (EU guild) took world 3rd on Brutallus and they got the world first on Felmyst (third boss). Now, as US guilds had much much longer testing these fights and getting used to them on the PTR, coupled with them getting the content a whole day earlier, surely they would have been expected to get all these world firsts? No they didn’t, because they’re shit.
If you go to the most highly used guild ranking site, you’ll find that out of the top 10 guilds. 8 are European. These rankings are devised by boss kills. So it’s fairly accurate. While you might be able to explain away EU getting world firsts by a few people having ‘no lives’ surely the US guilds would heavily stack up the 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc. kills? Nope, US often don’t just lose the world first kills to EU. They get beaten in to the groud. Because THEY SUCK.
See a pattern emerging here? Whatever defense you may have of the US and AUS raiding population can be nothing short of blind, misguided, patriotism because there is no evidence other than ‘OMG YOU HAVE NO LIVES’ or ‘IF WE DIDN’T WIN WW2 FOR YOU, YOU WOULDN’T GET THE FIRST KILLS!’. Jealousy, simply put.
And as for my ‘personal experience’. Well I didn’ go out and say I’ve done this and this and this in WoW raiding because to be frank it’s not relevant to the post. My argument doesn’t have any basis on my personal experience because it’s not relevant. But I have more than your average raid experience. I’ve raided up to Naxxramas pre tbc, and finished Black Temple (before patch 2.4, I’d like to add) in TBC. I had the chance and gear to raid Sunwell but I wasn’t interested. It’s stupid filler content between BT and the next expansion. Doesn’t interest me in the slightest.
True enough, the European guilds outrank the Americans by quite margin, and yes, we have an ungodly advantage. I’ll give you that, but I still think that you’re making far too large a generalization, Brad.
Now, if you say, “Compared to the top-ranking European guilds in WoW, the top-Ranking American guilds suck” I can’t argue with you, but when you say that we all suck compared to all of you, that’s where you lose credibility. I am NOT saying you’re wrong, only pointing out that it is a massive generalization based on a very few statistics about a very narrow group of people on which you base your claim.
I’ll admit, however, that the top-ranking American guilds perform VERY poorly given the circumstances in comparison to EU guilds.
This is wy I hate arguing over the internet, some jackasses are too stubborn.
Funny thread.
I also seem to notice that the american arena teams do worse the the european arena teams. Was’nt it also a european who reached the gold cap first? it seems that europeans do much better overall at this game.
I’m laughing at this pointless arguement.
WHO THE FUCK CARES WHO GETS THE FIRST KILL.
Seriously.
… Says an American.
How long have you played WoW btw? A few weeks? Month or two? Seriously. If you ever raid yourself you’ll understand the passion for first kills.
I am an American and Ive played wow for about a month.
But seriously, who cares? Your ego? Id be glad with the satisfactaction with killing him =|
who cares who wins x major american sporting event. Whats that you say? the fans of x sport? really? I never would have thought that fans of games would care about the outcome of these games. The first boss kills are a judge of the skill of the players and how they are managed. almost like winning a sports event is a show of your skill at that sport. And for these people i assume that knowing you are the best at your choice game feels fucking great.
A little late to the discussion, but…
Having lived in the U.S. for a couple of years now, I can’t stand the American “we need to save the world” doctrine. The world does not need the United States to save it.
If any lesson was to be learned from World War II, it’s to stay the fuck out of other people’s business. The U.S. made a shit load of money initially in WWII because they stayed isolated. When you star getting into people’s business (eg. Middle East), then you’re looking for trouble.
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EUROPEANS AND AMERICANS CAN EAT A DICK, AUSTRALIA IZ BEST @ PROGRESHUN!
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